[JiP]

I used to play dawn of war back in the day and it was awesome. the new one looks pretty good as well but my computer is too ancient to run it. anyone who's got a decent computer should check it out. it comes out at the end of feb. for any 40k fans, they included the Tyranids which no one thought they would be able to do. there's already lots of rumours of adding other races in with expansions.

link - http://www.dawnofwar2.com/us/agegate

[Emerald]

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I used to play dawn of war back in the day and it was awesome.

oh boy... try playing RTS instead of pretty picture movement software. dawn of war is missing so many things key to a good strategy game! then they spammed it with 69 million expansions to profit from.

DoW2 looks like its pretty much just the same shizz all over again. same fail, prettier graphics. oh and it looks liek they've got heroes like on WC3? trying to turn it into RPG now? how far can u get from claiming to be a strategy game while actually almost being in another genre

then again, its looking more like CoH... which somehow is a good game (despite also missing key RTS ingredients).

[Deonilin]

Heroes were good for mods but ruined the gameplay in wc3. However it does coinside with the 40k boardgame style of play.

I wasnt a fan of the orginal either, didnt like the grouped units or the massive uneveness of the teams.

[JiP]

Emerald, on Feb 3 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

oh boy... try playing RTS instead of pretty picture movement software. dawn of war is missing so many things key to a good strategy game! then they spammed it with 69 million expansions to profit from.

DoW2 looks like its pretty much just the same shizz all over again. same fail, prettier graphics. oh and it looks liek they've got heroes like on WC3? trying to turn it into RPG now? how far can u get from claiming to be a strategy game while actually almost being in another genre

yeah... despite that i can still enjoy playing it. the campaign was good and enjoying the graphics isn't such a bad thing, otherwise games like gears of war would suck. what are the key things it was missing? apart from micro obviously, which it did still have with the squad system. and the expansions are weak, they're planning the same thing with 2 as well. however i would still buy it and have some fun with it. not every game has to have as perfect gameplay as SC or C&C.

[Emerald]

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and enjoying the graphics isn't such a bad thing, otherwise games like gears of war would suck.

Gears of War does suck. oh my gosh it's so bad.

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what are the key things it was missing?

economy is boring
micro management doesnt exist due to squads

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and the expansions are weak, they're planning the same thing with 2 as well. however i would still buy it and have some fun with it.

even I get bored of watching dreadnoughts killing things after about 5 mins.... and that's about as interesting as DoW got

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not every game has to have as perfect gameplay as SC or C&C.

C&C gameplay is far from perfect, but at least (bar RA3)it has kept to the RTS principles as a whole. strategy games should stick to being about strategy and not graphics. RTS has to be one of the worst genres to focus on graphics with. mindless stuff like FPS or RPG can get away with it as long as it's a semi-decent story but RTS needs to focus HUGELY on gameplay for it to be any good.

[Deonilin]

Emerald, on Feb 4 2009, 12:03 AM, said:

C&C gameplay is far from perfect, but at least (bar RA3)it has kept to the RTS principles as a whole. strategy games should stick to being about strategy and not graphics. RTS has to be one of the worst genres to focus on graphics with. mindless stuff like FPS or RPG can get away with it as long as it's a semi-decent story but RTS needs to focus HUGELY on gameplay for it to be any good.

If it is just me saying it, i think games should still try to achieve their optimum graphics. Just not in a way which comprimises the other aspects. What does bug me tho are games which do not allow the graphics to be turned down low so that they can run on older machines. This seems really odd as i would have thought it easily done.



The biggest problem with DoW for me was the game speed. It seemed so slow and you were continualy waiting for things to respond (which i guess kind of comes under the micro management aspect).

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[JiP]

Emerald, on Feb 4 2009, 12:03 AM, said:

Gears of War does suck. oh my gosh it's so bad.

economy is boring
micro management doesnt exist due to squads

gears is a solid game for an FPS fan. they're pushing DoW2 into a new genre, RTT or something. something to do with being less focused on basebuilding and rather just units. the economy in DoW1 was basic but it was pretty solid, especially the win conditions based on controlling the map. there were a lot of heroes and singles units so micro was involved.

[Deonilin]

Having not played GoW i cant comment too much, but a story line never seems to exist on such a scale for an FPS. Its more like a porno, the story is there just as something to base the action around and the graphics matter to most of the people watching (a few big guns help things along too).

[Adam]

My god Dan whats rattled your cage ?

Gears is good

[Emerald]

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gears is a solid game for an FPS fan.

I am an FPS fan, I play more FPS than RTS nowerdays. GoW sucks.

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Gears is good

Even as a no-brain shoot 'em up it's bad. which is all it ever attempts to be

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My god Dan whats rattled your cage

nothing... just stating facts.

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something to do with being less focused on basebuilding and rather just units

so they make unmicroable units? HIII CONTRADICTIONS!
"ok let's change it to be more focused on something... then make that something really crap!"
"good plan... i wish i'd thought of that"

[JiP]

GoW is brutal online, but horde is good stuff. i could play it for hours. as far as no brain shoot em ups go it ranks pretty highly. i know i'll get bored of it in a while.

[Reaper]

Tbh DoW 2 is guna be an epic game, just because it isnt a SC or RA 2 doesn't mean it wont be a good game.

Think you guys need to w8 will its out and see how good it will be.

Give it a go x

[Emerald]

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Tbh DoW 2 is guna be an epic game,

it's gonna be the same as DoW... but with added stuff to make it even worse

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just because it isnt a SC or RA 2 doesn't mean it wont be a good game.

It doesn't have to be SC or RA2... i don't even rate RA2 that highly. it's UI is missing way too many important micro tools, but at least it's a strategy game being a strategy game not a role play.

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Give it a go x

u paying?

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[Calz]

Dow was fun, no more then that, i dont think anyone here is saying we shuold clan it but meerly pointing out the fun factor, which tbh it does have snazzy looking space marines are always fun imo.

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, but a story line never seems to exist on such a scale for an FPS. Its more like a porno, the story is there just as something to base the action around and the graphics matter to most of the people watching (a few big guns help things along too).

have you played halo and it's EPIC stoey line? plus thats a brilliant game.

GoW2 on the other hand, if your like most people with an xbox, incl me, then you will get bored of CoD and all the other boring current "strategic" fps games that are out there atm, GoW2 added a new factor, i admit, it's not amazing, but again tis pretty fun. GoW2 has nothing on GoW1, that was amazing.

tbh, i wont be buying DoW2 as i dont go on me PC much nemore.


HALO WARS FTW!

[Emerald]

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GoW2 has nothing on GoW1, that was amazing.

how?

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HALO WARS FTW!

i'm gonna be so surprised if they get that right.

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as i dont go on me PC much nemore.

failure.

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have you played halo and it's EPIC stoey line? plus thats a brilliant game.

there are always exceptions...

[Deonilin]

HAHAHAHA, you think the story to Halo was epic?

It was ok, maybe good when compared to other FPS but really, its nothing on a film or book. There is nothing stopping a game being as good, if not better as you can feel that you are part of the story yourself. It fustrates me that the wrighters are so poor in some cases, says a lot when people think Halo has an epic story.

[JiP]

Calz, on Feb 8 2009, 02:02 AM, said:

HALO WARS FTW!

downloaded the demo? it's actually pretty good. in before no micro, squads suck, can't play RTS on a 360 etc..

[Calz]

Halo wars demo is alright, it's much better than previous consle RTS titles but it will never compete with PC strats.


Halo does have a very good story line, and you do feel emerged in the game, maybe thats down to the graphics and time they spent on the scenery and map layouts but it has been for me one of the best story lined games i have played, obviously the C&C titles excluding Gens are brilliant